i believe when crunch time comes hagel will get in and so will brennan. do you believe that? >> do i believe that. >> bill: okay. so it's a lot of posturing for their liberal base. we want to know and all of that. but when it comes down to it, they are not going to group against the president. rosen, last word on it, go. >> as jeffrey rosen, no relation to writes about legal matters and the supreme court for the "new york times" magazine new republic said the lawyers for george w. bush when he was president were pillarried for less than this. >> you saw woo get it alberto gonzalez get it but not here. karl rove going to be on the broadcast tomorrow night. he wants to set up some kind of organization to urge republicans to be a little bit more moderate. that has teed okay some tea party and right wing radio people. has that filtered in to the political system in washington? are they listening to that debate or is it just a media thing? >> it's definitely a lot of the media thing. also a little bit different. what mr. rove and his group would say it's not about finding more mod